Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. His Spirit is with us. Let us give thanks to the Lord our God. Thank you for those comments, I think I would agree and will try and work with them. Slightly adapted version with NZ Anglican responses, Designed by Elegant Themes | Powered by WordPress. We come to you, Father, with praise and thanksgiving. Subjecct, verb, object. It is right to give him thanks and praise . When is the first Eucharistic prayer used? Eucharistic Prayer for Use in Masses for Various Needs (I - IV) (from the 3rd Edition of the Roman Missal, English Translation, 2011) . We lift them to the Lord. (Boston Latin remains a public school exception that proves the rule, of course, but even it dropped compulsory Greek decades ago.). English is an important language, so we must keep trying. It had style and was prayerful. The Lord be with you. My parishioners nearly all have English as first or subsidiary language, but all have some exposure to Latin, which remains “neutral” in the sense of highest common factor. Neither way of life is without fault. This ancient text is especially appropriate for Sundays, unless for pastoral considerations Eucharistic Prayer III … I for one delight in a heritage than includes the Veni Creator Spiritus and the Pange Lingua Gloriosi, the great medieval Marian antiphons, Mozart’s Ave Verum Corpus and Palestrina’s Stabat Mater, as well as the great settings of the Sanctus, the Agnus Dei, the Gloria, and the Credo that were known and loved by generations of Catholics before me. @Ian Coleman – comment #44: Sheet Music Eucharistic Prayer I – Proper Forms of the Communicantes and Hanc Igitur Eucharistic Prayer I (Solemn Tone) Eucharistic Prayer II Eucharistic Prayer III Eucharistic Prayer IV Video Tutorials Wish I could count RM3 among them. Per omnia saecula saculorum. EUCHARISTIC PRAYER FOR CHILDREN 1. Alan Griffiths is a priest of Portsmouth Diocese, UK. People We lift them to the Lord. I may not benefit as much as others by hearing the words of the eucharistic prayer, but that does not mean that no one ever benefits. Sheet Music and video tutorials on the New Eucharistic Prayers for priests. ‘Victim’ here can only refer to Christ, upon whom the Congregation for Divine Worship would normally confer a capital letter. In fact, it translated the Latin so exactly that you could see the scars left by the mutilations the Latin underwent in the change from Roman Canon to First EP in the new rite. In your goodness grant her peace; guard, unite and govern her throughout the whole world. The Priest, with hands extended, says: To you, therefore, most merciful Father, we make humble prayer and petition. After the long (it should not really be shortened!) Underlying this regular pattern is the conviction that ‘there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus’ (1 Tim 2:5). The Spirit can inspire new eucharistic compositions. “How could we sing the Lord’s song in a foreign land? It’s a reflection I’d like to take more time to ponder. The goal is intelligibility but also a certain impersonality. The Sacramentary EP I was pure poetry. Eucharistic Prayer IV: We give you praise, Father most holy, for you are great and you have fashioned all your works in wisdom and in love… In addition, there are two Eucharistic Prayers for Reconciliation and four Eucharistic Prayers for Various Needs. It is right to give our thanks and praise. Through the song of the Canon the Roman Church has heard the rise and fall of empires, the revolution of cultures and the reform of ecclesiastical spheres, the most heinous of human inhumanity towards fellow human beings, and the most profound examples of selflessness. To you, most merciful Father, with reverence we pray through Jesus Christ, your Son our Lord. Perhaps the Latin version of the pre-V2 liturgy’s Canon had seen empires rise and fall and whatnot. Hosanna in the highest. 137:4-7 NRSV). I incline to interpret the triple use of ‘hostia’ in this section of EP1 as being in apposition to ‘panem sanctum vitae aeternae et calicem salutis perpetuae’, which follows immediately. @Jack Feehily – comment #33: Charles Grondin • Download Share. I agree with Joe O’Leary with what he says about the “spirit and movement” of prayer. Have we reached the limits of the possibility of translation of liturgical texts? PRAYER B. I find it difficult to isolate a word or phrase in a particular eucharistic prayer. 639 g You are the Sa viour of the world. Yet, the Spirit works hard and the content remains, but rendered in such away as it flowed from the tongue and touched the listener. (The very opposite of ‘Twitterese’). It is truly right, and good and joyful, to give you thanks, all-holy God, source of life and fountain of mercy. I’m going to sit back now and see who comes up with a more credible one. God speed. EUCHARISTIC PRAYER FOR CHILDREN 1. Eucharistic Prayer C – The Great Thanksgiving. @Jack Feehily – comment #5: Small thing on Joseph — should be “spouse” rather than “husband” based, apparently, on Mary’s continued state of virginity. Eucharistic PrayEr i (thE roman canon) 83. ‘Through their merits and prayers grant us . Celebrant: Lift up your hearts. ∕. Worship and praise belong to you, God our maker. And I’m hoping that a discussion of the Roman Canon won’t dwindle into a discussion of capital letters. The English Version is just as tough as the Latin! Celebrant: Let us give thanks unto our Lord God. These we offer to you first for your holy Catholic Church. The Church on the Path of Unity V. The Lord be with you. Vatican II proclaimed that Mass should be in the vernacular of the people. Latin will eventually be as irrelevant as Greek was to the Medieval West: a scholarly curiosity. All: It is right and just Father, we give you thanks and praise through your beloved Son Jesus Christ, your living Word Accept them as you graciously accepted the gifts of your righteous servant Abel, the sacrifice of our patriarch Abraham and the offering of your high priest Melchizedek, a holy sacrifice and spotless victim. In this prayer, the lines in italics are spoken by the People. The Preface printed at the beginning of EP II is the same as the Preface for Weekdays VI, number P42 in the Sacramentary.) Through Christ and with Christ and in Christ…, –is perhaps one of the clunkiest things I have ever read. Heck, they needed special bells to tell them when to pay attention. Now that explanation is a pure guess. You gave the world into our care that we might be your faithful stewards and show forth your bountiful grace. Prayers that were once alive are twisted and complex. Christ will come again. We lift them to the Lord. An expert in English literature (as well as a gifted Latinist) once said to me that he thought the 1967 text a superb example of 20th century paratactic English. A better rendering would be ‘at the intercession of them both’ or ‘in response to the intercession of them both’. And also with you. Tear it down! If I forget you, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither! As for Fr Griffiths offering: while commendable, I think that it fails really to come alive in reading or speaking. The problem is that the authors of the new translation were not masters, but obvious amatuers of liturgical English. I also wonder about “raising his eyes to heaven to you, O God” because of the two prepositional phrases. Blessed are you strong and … Grant that we who share these gifts may be filled with the Holy Spirit and live as Christ’s Body in the world. The USCCB has also approved Eucharistic Prayers for Mass with Children. Eucharistic Prayer for Masses with Children I Using the New Translation of the Roman Missal _____ The priest begins the Eucharistic Prayer. Giving himself freely to death on the cross, he triumphed over evil, opening the way of freedom and life. Amen. PRAYER B. The Celebrant, whether bishop or priest, faces them and sings or says The Lord be with you. (There is a small typo in the text above. Priest: Let us give thanks to the Lord, our God. It was the same from the Council of Trent until the reform of the Liturgy of the Second Vatican Council. EUCHARISTIC PRAYER B ASB 1980 Rite A Prayer 3. Jordan Zarembo : What benefit is there is hearing the discrete words of the eucharistic prayer? Re: The very first part of your comment. I’m going to sit back now and see who comes up with a more credible one. These we offer to you first for your holy Catholic Church. Let me lay out my assumptions first. Lift up your hearts. Thanks Alan, but your revised translation is still hamstrung by artificial rules that do not have the good of the worshiping community at their core IMO. It is right to give him thanks and praise. I am sure that to some it will sound ‘clunky.’ Hey ho, as they say. We offer them in union with your servant N. our pope and N. our bishop, with all who worship you in truth and serve the Catholic and apostolic faith. We lift them up to the Lord. This is not the problem at all. This, then, Lord, is the offering of our service and that of your whole household. I think both aims can be realised, but would not presume to pretend that mine is anything more than a starter, and there are many other people with greater gifts than I have in this field. Personally, I now believe that the mistake made in the ’60s was to adapt and translate at the same time. I’m not quite sure whether you were aiming to emphasise the Second Person of the Trinity, or whether you were going for some rather odd gender-inclusive thing, but I don’t think it works. Some folks at the Vatican thought that capitalizing certain words makes them more sacred or reverent. Yet, the Spirit works hard and the content remains, but rendered in such away as it flowed from the tongue and touched the listener. 255-256 (cfr. Forty-one years this October, to be exact. From MXnet. Kind of like how a stole might have images on it that are for the benefit of the one wearing it, despite not being visible to others once the chasuble or dalmatic is placed over it. A silent Canon does not impede grace and sanctification. Down to its foundations!’ ” (Ps. In the ancient world, to name things was often seen to have power over them, hence the restricted use of such names as a sign of reverence. Liturgy and Sacraments. We lift them to the Lord. With hands extended he sings (or says): The Lord be with you. I do think that translation has reached a limit of sorts. And for all who will receive the most holy body and blood of your Son in this communion at the altar, let them be filled with all the blessings and gifts of heaven. Hosanna in the highest. All: And with your spirit Priest: Lift up your hearts. Spanish syntax became more “natural” for me by the time I was in high school. ), and all gathered here, whose faith and devotion are known to you. I just want to be sure we keep worshiping God, we respect people, and we use human-made tools, including the language of a pagan empire, in their right place: in serving God and others. Required fields are marked *. In the Eucharist, the part of the prayer that bears the term has historically been viewed both as a blessing and consecration of the elements of bread and wine. We offer it to you also for those to whom you have graciously given the new birth of water and the Holy Spirit, granting them forgiveness of all their sins. I’m a skeptic on many of these points. And from your gifts bestowed on us we offer to your glory and majesty the pure victim, the holy victim, the perfect victim: the holy bread of eternal life and the chalice of everlasting salvation. The first Eucharistic Prayer –also known as the Roman Canon — is the prayer that your parents, grandparents, and great great great grandparents all the way back to 1570, would have followed in Latin at Mass. The Lord be with you and also with you. Their use of ‘this’ in this passage finds no warrant in the Latin original. The colleague replied, ‘And do you wear a chasuble for your private prayer?’. The English of 1973 simply obscured the details of the Latin. ‘ seems to imply that ‘meritis precibusque’ is ablative. This clashes somewhat with your attempt to shorten the sentences à la 1973. With deep reverence we ask you, almighty God: command that these gifts be carried by the hands of your holy angel to your altar on high in the sight of your divine majesty. Hosanna in the highest. Eucharistic Prayer IV is unique among the three in that the Preface of this prayer must always be used and not changed out with another Preface (see GIRM, 365d). I had it memorized and loved hearing it on the high holy days and sprinkled here and there on Ordinary Sundays. It … Question: When my new parish celebrates a Mass focused on the children present, the celebrant uses a Eucharist prayer I have not heard before. for the Usus antiquior, the EF. Protestants have long claimed that Catholics place mediators other than Christ between God and humanity, despite 1 Tim 2:5. to present for comment. Being Catholic means “both-and” not…. 333-343), four for Rite 2 (pp. And perhaps the time to do that is now, before gnostic and idolatrous influences chase more believers into the arms of the evangelicals, or worse, the nones. Remember, Lord, your servants (especially NN. Celebrating the Grace of God, originating with Bishop Brian Carrel, eschewed the use of “Blessed is he…” (words unpopular for some in the Eucharistic Prayer). However, the Sacramentary EP I in many places scarcely resembles the canon missae. It is truly right, and good and joyful, to give you thanks, … It is right to give our thanks and praise. Our souls magnify you, O Lord, and our spirits rejoice in you, for you are our Saviour. Lift up your hearts. Lift up your hearts. The Celebrant, whether bishop or priest, faces them and sings or says The Lord be with you. 1) Eucharistic Prayer I, i.e. Subsequently the faithful will derive their own opinion about liturgical ideologies. When is the first Eucharistic prayer used? 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