Danez Smith: And it’s deserved, you know, like you’re at the point where people are like, giving you lifetime achievements and stuff like that. These are human beings. That interview, like, so many brilliant folks blessed us both on the page and on the mic this year. Also, Texas is a state that is defined by a long and militarized border. Danez Smith: And I always tell them, I’m like, “You gotta write all of it,” right? Naomi Shihab Nye: And this is the fist fight, This vs. That. And how they’re feeling and they have memories and so forth. He said it was the moon people like least, so he was going to like it most. That is one of my many worst habits. Franny Choi: Well, speaking of teaching and students, our guest is one who has worked with a lot of students and also who, you know, in the similar spirit of us trying to remember to count the things that we are grateful for over the last year, I think is a real thought leader in how to continue to cultivate hope in the midst of what seems like overwhelming and all-crushing despair. In the middle of the night, he woke up and—he calls me Momo—and he said, “Momo?” And I said, “Yes?” He said, “I love you more than all my toys!”. You know, people make all kinds of comments about resistances to poetry, like, “But look at the world! Danez Smith: That’s my secret want. Naomi Shihab Nye: Ooo, anything by W.S. Like writers such as Ralph Waldo Emerson, Henry David Thoreau, and Walt Whitman, she experimented with expression in order to free it from conventional restraints. Shares of Poshmark Inc. more than doubled in their debut trading in the public markets Thursday, a testament to the strength of the online marketplace for second-hand goods even during a pandemic. The book is wonderful and made me think really deeply about how our use of any technology shapes us (how we think, what we think, etc) and how … Very sweet though. Franny Choi:— at the Poetry Foundation. Munsterberg, Marjorie, Writing About Art: Milner, Joseph O'Beirne, and Lucy Floyd Morcock Milner. Franny Choi: It’s been so long. And if he were alive today, I think I would ask him a little more about that. It’s like, “Get the water!”. You know, where do you go to sit and read something? We need to meet.” So he was always kind of upbeat about human contact, you know. Naomi Shihab Nye: But for poets, we try to maintain, as William Stafford used to say, we try to keep that early poet alive in us. Subject: Song, Music, Poetry Source: Detroit Public Schools, Dept. Wayward Son (Spanish Edition) ... Poetry. Franny Choi: I would say teaching. So I don’t know. Danez Smith: I will start us off. Any one of you. He is also takes up a spear given to him by Atalanta, not as an afterthought, but due to his heroic nature and the comparison between himself and Achilles. And so, I’ve been very like appreciative that there are so many, so, so, so many folks doing what they do best, which is their poems. Yeah. Anthony Powell's novel sequence A Dance to the Music of Time begins with an evocation of the painting by Poussin which gives the sequence its name, and contains other passages of ekphrasis, perhaps influenced by the many passages in Marcel Proust's À la recherche du temps perdu. I mean, yeah, it’s like Marilyn Chin was in my bedroom, you know? Katherine Rothschild. You know, not that I’m against mystery or the unknown. It was pretty segregated when I grew up there. Accords is a digital platform for dialogue about fragrance, and the way that it relates to community and culture.. Naomi Shihab Nye: What’s moving me these days? The ekphrasic writings of the lawyer turned bishop Asterius of Amasea (fl. Suzy Kassem is a prolific American thinker, poet, writer, and philosopher. Ibsen's last work When We Dead Awaken also contains examples of ekphrasis as the play's protagonist, Arnold Rubek, is a sculptor who several times throughout the play describes his masterpiece "Resurrection Day" at length and in the many different forms the sculpture took throughout the stages of its creation. When I hear about forgotten people, I think, I knew the man down the alley by the market. I’m breaking up some beds. And I do think freshening is involved, too. And how when I start feeling really exhausted on the news channel of my brain and I need to give more time to the awareness poem part … you know, I think it doesn’t take as much effort to regenerate our aware spirit in the poem part as some people think it does. And I always associated the word “rich,” by the way, with having plenty to read. Naomi Shihab Nye: And don’t you think, I think it’s very gracious of both of you not to bring up the humorous detail that I am for the Poetry Foundation, Young People’s Poet Laureate. Because I think that it’s been wild to be moved by poets of the early Soviet Union. So thank you to everybody. This tendency is by no means restricted to classical art history; the evocative but vague mentions of objects in metalwork in Beowulf are eventually always mentioned by writers on Anglo-Saxon art, and compared to the treasures of Sutton Hoo and the Staffordshire Hoard. You helped make that semester a really good one, actually. Naomi Shihab Nye: But refreshment. It was so cute. Ahh. Just thank you for continuing to write, to look at the world, to challenge it, to find goodness within it. [source? Naomi Shihab Nye: And I said, “No, seriously, it’s a position. Naomi Shihab Nye: I loved that. I don’t know, I think that, like, doing that sort of research and writing has made me feel closer to my Palestinian friends and closer to my friends for whom the Mexico-US border has been a source of trauma and violence. Okay. So you get in the habit of reading those. Danez Smith: Naomi Shihab Nye, the Young People’s Poet Laureate of the US through the Poetry Foundation, was born to a Palestinian father and American mother and grew up in Ferguson, Missouri, Jerusalem, and San Antonio. Shout-out to the students in English 288. As photography in books or on television allowed audiences a direct visual comparison to the verbal description, the role of ekphrasic commentary on the images was even perhaps increased. “It’s been such a great life decision for me. Felicia Hemans made extensive use of ekphrasis,[6] as did Letitia Elizabeth Landon, especially in her Poetical Sketches of Modern Pictures. (LAUGHS). You often talk about the idea of trying to make your poems welcoming, which to me, being somebody who, I so strongly identify as somebody who like, accessibility is an intention in my work, and I feel like I love the word “welcoming.” I felt really gracious for that because I was like, oh, “welcoming,” so much better than “accessible.” Such a better word. Too much, saying, “Oh, I don’t have time for that.” And nobody can get away with that with me anymore in a poetry session. Danez Smith: I’m scared to, like, make my family sick, but I also feel very connected to my family in a way. Danez Smith: No, I think yeah, I think I would like my poems, when I was a kid. And I really loved that interview. Naomi Shihab Nye: You know, one thing I’ve determined during our conversation is, I wish I were on a train with both of you and we were just going, and we had some little food sacks and we could share what was in our food sacks and drink that ice cold water and do this and that, quizzes as we passed different landscapes. The Russian novelist Fyodor Dostoyevsky employed ekphrasis most notably in his novel The Idiot. That is a hopeful thing, Danez. Naomi Shihab Nye: Or, just yesterday, a friend was writing me from Honolulu and he had a bad experience with his car this week. If I don’t like where I’m standing in this story, where might it be a better place to look at this story from? Franny Choi: Yeah, it’s true. And I don’t know if that’s the answer to this question, but for me, that feels like maybe just a charge towards what you were saying. Franny Choi: Best place to read a book in San Antonio. And so, we would kind of go on these, little like, poetry rushes asking folks about their work. I love it! I wonder if we should pivot now to talking about The Tiny Journalist. Speaking of caring about what the young people think, what do you think child Danez thinks of adult Danez’s poems? Danez Smith: That’s the real wealth right there. Naomi Shihab Nye: I’m the one with two stars. Naomi Shihab Nye: Franny, Danez, I feel like the luckiest person to get to be with you. And come on, the story just has not improved. As art history began to become an academic subject in the 19th century, ekphrasis as formal analysis of objects was regarded as a vital component of the subject, and by no means all examples lack attractiveness as literature. Danez Smith: You do a good jabber, though. Danez Smith: Two. It’s a door now. And we had like a final reading on Instagram live, and it was just like so great. And he was constantly trying to work with that and write stories that would bring both peoples in as deserving of respect, humanity, dignity. Danez Smith: But you’ve done it in a way that I think I’ve never read, especially thinking about your work about Palestine and Palestinians, and that conflict. It’s the most insatiable bush. Naomi Shihab Nye: And I thought, that’s so beautiful! Naomi Shihab Nye: More than a long time. In ancient times, it referred to a description of any thing, person, or experience. And I’m so touched by that. (LAUGHS) Alright, best person to talk to. And, you know, I think that for us, recording the show has been a solidifying and grounding practice amid all of the fucking turmoil. It’s ridiculous. That’s my other most moving thing, is spending time with him and listening to him, talking with him. And I feel—my heart goes out to all the students. Franny Choi: Best scent of soap or candle. The legendary poet brings a fistful of sunshine to her conversation with Franny and Danez about learning from her four year-old grandson, holding onto hope and wonder, the magic and utility of child brain, creating welcoming poems, and so much more. Oh, well, I can’t really work on my writing until I wash those dishes and clean up the joint. Danez Smith: You were mentioning, just like the intimacy within, especially within political work. Symphony in White, No. I love those things. You didn’t have to really say what they were really thinking, you know. Uhm…frankincense, maybe. [16], Jason also bears similarities to Achilles: by donning the cloak, Jason is represented as an Achillean heroic figure due to the comparisons made between his cloak and the shield of Achilles. Naomi Shihab Nye: Oooo. Danez Smith: For the refreshment of language. Bush gave the reins to MIC bureaucrats and Republican business lobbyist lifers. Under his sway, Dorian bemoans the fact that his youth will soon fade. We are so excited for y’all and us—shit, too, we were geeks—to spend this last episode of the season with literal legend Naomi Shihab Nye. You know, I know that I can read other people’s poems or listen to other people saying they’re poems and feel like instantaneously improved. Sometimes our grandson will just look at me in the course of the day and he’ll say, “I need to paint.”—. Danez Smith: Oh no. Naomi Shihab Nye: It’s got that lull. At the end of this decade, known as 2020. Naomi Shihab Nye: I guess we’re forever in a process of figuring that out. [17], While Jason only wears the cloak while going to meet with Hypsipyle, it foreshadows the changes that Jason will potentially undergo during his adventure. Naomi Shihab Nye: I would love to. Naomi Shihab Nye: And then my father was the same, though, about journalism. (LAUGHS), Franny Choi: Yeah, and we’re also at the end of Season 4 of VS. Ekphrasis has also been an influence on art; for example the ekphrasis of the Shield of Achilles in Homer and other classical examples were certainly an inspiration for the elaborately decorated large serving dishes in silver or silver-gilt, crowded with complicated scenes in relief, that were produced in 16th century Mannerist metalwork. So, like, they’re kind of thinking about like, “Oh, I don’t know if I should do it this way, I don’t know if I want to do this thing that feels more stylistic or cool or inventive to myself.” Or I don’t know if I want to, like, do what you’re saying, which is like, sort of be understood maybe in a way that doesn’t allow you to reach the most athletic version of the thought, or something like that maybe. And I do think that’s really hard in the United States these days, because I could look at the daily news and say, “What the hell is going on here? he used to tease the kids. We all have that time. In Pérez Galdós's Our Friend Manso (1882), the narrator describes two paintings by Théodore Géricault to point to the shipwreck of ideals; while in La incógnita (1889), there are many allusions and descriptions of Italian art, including references to Botticelli, Mantegna, Masaccio, Raphael, Titian, etc. The word comes from the Greek ἐκ ek and φράσις phrásis, 'out' and 'speak' respectively, and the verb ἐκφράζειν ekphrázein, "to proclaim or call an inanimate object by name". She is the author or editor of more than 30 volumes, including City Secrets, Habibi, The Turtle of Oman and The Tiny Journalist, which advocates for justice for Palestinian people. The UK variant is spreading rapidly and was detected in more than 50% of cases in recent weeks in Ireland. Danez Smith: When did that one hit the streets? Danez Smith: Love a river walk. We recorded 22 this year, many of which were post lockdown. I’m not going to write a poem every day. I love your voices. So that’s one of my secret—. So I don’t know, just like, being able to, like, look at them, you know, even sometimes from like a six foot distance, a lot this year. Emily Dickinson is one of America’s greatest and most original poets of all time. [22] These values may include virtus, clementia, iustitia, and pietas, which were the values inscribed on a shield given to Augustus by the Senate. But I’m not that interested. I’m curious what both of you have done for your refreshment. Naomi Shihab Nye: It just got in the world. He was also concerned in journalism with what was left out of the story. He was never embittered. Oh my god, what a presence. I live in the most Latinx city. "Poetry without music may be beautiful, but music gives poetry wings and elevates it into song. about what they say, from a desire to be instructed, It is a sort of language legacy. Yeah. Naomi Shihab Nye: But I think that’s what—I don’t know, I think it’s what our job is as poets, to try to keep finding a way to engage with them in our poems, whether the political poems or the walking down the street, easy poems. ... Wider than the Sky. In the Republic, Book X, Plato discusses forms by using real things, such as a bed, for example, and calls each way a bed has been made, a "bedness". Anthony Ashley Cooper, third Earl of Shaftesbury, was no fan of Shakespeare. Danez Smith: Many great defeats and wins (LAUGHS) in this here game. Franny, I’m wondering, for you, in this very different season, what’s been maybe one of your highlights? In the Odyssey, there is also a scene where Odysseus, disguised as a beggar, must prove to his wife, Penelope, that he has proof that Odysseus is still alive. Earlier in the epic, when Aeneas travels to Carthage, he sees the temple of the city, and on it are great works of art that are described by the poet using the ekphrastic style. Naomi Shihab Nye: And he didn’t really, like, go looking for other Arabs to feel at home with either. And like, what a better last episode of the season. And yeah, yeah, like Franny said, we’ll have news and updates coming in the New Year about VS and about many other exciting things. For Plato (and Aristotle), it is not so much the form of each bed that defines bedness:[3] as the mimetic stages at which beds may be viewed that defines bedness. Tamar Yacobi, "Verbal Frames and Ekphrastic Figuration," in Ulla-Britta Lagerroth, Hans Lund and Erik Hedling (eds. I’m not so wild about digging as he is. Naomi Shihab Nye: You know, this is such an exhausting situation in Israel, Palestine. There are a number of examples of ekphrasis in music, of which the best known is probably Pictures at an Exhibition, a suite in ten movements (plus a recurring, varied Promenade) composed for piano by the Russian composer Modest Mussorgsky in 1874, and then very popular in various arrangements for orchestra. And he leaned down to it and said, “Hello, little buddy, how did you get here?”. Naomi is so gracious in her work, in her spirit, and in this interview with us. May we all find, still, the goodness that we hope we can find in the classroom in these Zoom meetings and shit. ): Grant F. Scott: "Ekphrasis and the Picture Gallery", in, Grant F. Scott: "Copied with a Difference: Ekphrasis in William Carlos Williams'. It’s a question of respecting those tiny increments. Through the telling of the scenes on the cloak, Apollonios relates the scenes on the cloak as virtues and morals that should be upheld by the Roman people, and that Jason should learn to live by. You know, I’ve tried to encourage kids for my entire working adult life, being with kids now through Zoom or all over the country or in a high school in Maine or tomorrow morning at 7:30 AM in Palestine, that’s my job. Danez Smith: Oh, wow. Yeah. A long time, really. Uhm… some kind man I don’t know wrote me an email this morning, someone in my city who said that he’s remembering a poem I read at the library like five or 10 years ago that was about a conversation I had with a postal worker at the post office. Why does a distant light, in the night, seem like a star! Who are writing into sometimes what feels like unmoving histories. [18] This is also reminiscent of the scene in the Iliad when Thetis goes to see Hephaestus, and requisitions him to create a new set of armor for her son Achilles. Let’s go! We’ll see you next time. In the 20th century, Roger Zelazny's "24 Views of Mt. It was such a different season, Franny, you know, we didn’t have to travel. Angeln was the home of one tribe, and the name still clings to the spot whence some of our forefathers sailed on their momentous voyage. And Grace used to say that she looked at politics as simply the way human beings treat one another. I read that he—was he a journalist? WORLD ‘Democracy has prevailed’: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US president. King Crimson's song "The Night Watch", with lyrics written by Richard Palmer-James, is an ekphrasis on Rembrandt's painting The Night Watch. Franny Choi: Best plant in your garden right now. And we are going to start this hour off with a poem. I think, I mean, it feels to me like a motive or an education for those of us who do write political work, right. I like having, I said in the beginning when my friends said “What? The VS podcast is a bi-weekly series where poets confront the ideas that move them. It feels … I’m about to cry right now, but like, to like, I don’t know, I’m grateful to this show right now, I guess, because we get to have these interactions with our legends. Danez Smith: But also, you know, if it’s not your first time here, thank y’all for coming through the season. Who else’s opinion could I tell the story from? In some ways, it was trying to include her perspective in like, the generational perspective of, you know, my grandmother, my father, me, her. Danez Smith: Naomi—or Miss Naomi, I should say—. “Like a mountain when you sit on it.” I need…. (LAUGHING) I’m just in—im just in—in kindness mode. Naomi Shihab Nye: “Where have you been? And to now hear you talk about your grandson offering these amazing lines, it’s just wild! Download free books in PDF format. And you, our listeners, responded and like wrote things to our prompts and asked us questions. 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