And guess what…then it’s not affordable and it’s not profitable. For all you landlords with a basement apartment..u can have a good experience too, if u make sure the person is good! Young children will make noise running across the floor above you, as will dogs. your username. many people who end up living in basement apartments are not “scum” as you have labeled them. If you are close to the subway, you’ll also get decent tenants. I rented it to a very nice seeming young lady, she’s a complete liar, she told me she was single, she’s not, her boyfriend looks like a hoodlum. I have been here a year and have just decided to move out. they were the worst tennants I ever had. Over all, if I didn’t need the money, I would not rent out the basement room. Plus in this old house of mine the soundproofing is not good at all so every time they had an argument I would be subjected to it. And if you are a landlord you should be good at reading people, otherwise don’t do it. Then he kicks us out at the end of 4 months when he knew that our internships were to last another 4. Yes, I am aware of the landlord tenant act rules regarding spraying and all that but at the end of the day I have absolutely no desire to pack up everything I own twice a year so the apartment can get fumigated (once again) and so I can breath in toxic chemicals (oh yeah and I have to live with them as apparently you cannot vacuum for ten days or something like that). Nice thing about them is that you can get your money back for damages etc. Your landlord is not a magical being who is depriving you of luxury living because he’s greedy and wants to make a “profit” between his mortgage payments, taxes, repairs, future repairs, furnace breakdowns, utility increases and everything else, in many cases they don’t even break even. The Pros And Cons Of Living In An Apartment. Couples who are first starting out want to pay as little and save as much. Which is a little high. You also don’t have to deal with basement tenants and the epic tenant fights that occur. Common sense would dictate that when you knowingly rent to someone with pets, they’re going to make use of the yard property. I rented my own basement for years. Like with anything, there are both advantages and disadvantages to putting an English basement in your housing unit. Please dont say demolish the house or move out it took a lot of looking to get this apartment. Who broke your arms and legs? You also agree to our Terms of Service. We then found another tennat but before signing the paper work we got a call warning us he was a professional tenant and we canceled the lease. A few months ago I rented a basement apartment for a reader of this blog. As a single mother, I figured I could live in a quieter, more family friendly neighbourhood for the same price as a bachelor or one-bedroom nearby. Please read up on your rights. Here’s a blanket . Then tell them to take their blanket and shove it you know where. May 9, 2012. Not All Finished Basements Are Basement Apartments. | Property Rental Agency & Property Management Services - Landlord Rescue, https://landlordrescue.ca/10-reasons-i-hate-basement-apartments/, Funky Friday – What is a BLOFT? or the sound of running feet overhead? For example I used to rent the 2 bedroom downstairs for $900 then I found that the building down the street had reduced their prices to $800 for a two bedroom. The new European data protection law requires us to inform you of the following before you use our website: We use cookies and other technologies to customize your experience, perform analytics and deliver personalized advertising on our sites, apps and newsletters and across the Internet based on your interests. DAMP, DISMAL, and smelly; basement flats have an image problem. I say this with experience, having seen people build fantastic inlaw suites and everyone still want to pay under a $1000 for a all inclusive 2-3 bedroom suite with granite countertops and in floor heating and a walk out. She lied to get the suite and is one of those people who manipulates people to get what she wants. It’s the tenant/tenant issues that will drive you crazy, and the quality of tenant you get. All the utilities go into the one tenant’s name and the landlord no longer has to “manage” them or the conflicting tenants. They were designed to store your stuff and furnace. Since basement apartments tend to be partially or mostly underground, moisture can seep in from any cracks in the foundation, and mold could grow behind or on walls, ceilings and floors, he says. Go to the Landlord & Tenant and ask around what floor the tenants live on… I’ll admit I’m no Sally Sunshine but saying what I’ve observed after 15 years in this business doesn’t make me burned out. That is the problem I can’t find enough tenants exactly like you if I could I wouldn’t be complaining. That was until a drunk driver took her life. Coming from the Vancouver area, in the city proper a significant % (probably a majority now) of houses have basement suites, often two of them and occasionally three if one includes a laneway house. Landlords seem fine and sane. So basically basements are too hot and not humid enough and I don’t know anything. If you ever go into a basement ‘suite’ situation, never ever sign a lease. If there’s pot smoking in your apartment 90% of the time, it’s wafting up the vents not down. apart from that, i am disgusted from your comment about “low profile tenants”. 1. We had a good relationship also. It’s all about the disadvantages and suprising advantages to living in a ground floor apartment. By that point we were in better shape and took back the basement. | Property Rental Agency & Property Management Services - Landlord Rescue, Recommended Real Estate | Property Rental Agency & Property Management Services - Landlord Rescue. (I own. Lizza, I’m glad you like where you live, I can assure you that most people do not feel this way about living in basement apartments. Cue the new tenant who has been here for three months. Don't let a wet basement dampen your finances. With an apartment? I lived in a basement apt for 3 years before I bought my first house. It’s the most ridiculous situation and no one should be lessened to live in a basement, let alone pay for it. Mind you, I go the extra mile and screen the hell out of them before saying yes. Tenants – you have rights. Share. PEACE , pass it on. My apartment has its own entrance which is a plus. Good luck, Susan. Make sure you love it. It’s a win win. You may be able to recoup some of the rent you’ve paid. As for the other question it’s not clear enough, is there a common area? It gets so cold sometimes that I am in thermal underwear, plus clothes, under a blanket and I cannot get my feet to warm up. So I get what you’re saying. Thanks. They have never entered my apartment without my consent, and they are just perfect I know not everyone would have such a great experience…but i love it. cannot afford to rent a condo. The next time you move out of a cold and damp place and the landlord did nothing but collect your money – put in a complaint to both the local bylaw and building departments because guaranteed 90% of these are illegal. If you cannot accommodate basic tenant rights (which include the human right to affiliation), and can’t meet code, you need to scale your greed waaaaay down, and buy something you can *actually* afford. Somehow her horrible “articles”, if you want to call then that always come up in my searches. Unfortunately many basement apartments are cold and humid. And some of them are liars. In many parts of the country full basements will be the norm, while others will have slab foundations and still others will have crawl spaces. Then some ungrateful scumbag will rent it and smoke marijuana in it and tell you to go fuck yourself and your 3 kids, one of whom has asthma, while you freak the hell out. You really should review scientific evidence before you go doling out advice based on bullshit. Like all basements, the walls of your walk-out basement will still be susceptible to moisture and containment issues, even though a portion of it is open to the outside. If you can explain to me why a tenant in his or her right mind would rent a basement apartment when they can rent an apartment in a building for the very same price or lower, I would love to hear it. I bought a house in a different city and put a basement apartment in that one as well and so far it has also been a good experience coming up to a year. My understanding is that they can break a hole in your ceiling and secure the pipes better. Or like one guy with free utilities did in Mississauga, and leave the hot water tap runnning at full blast, just so he can screw the landlord, who happened to be a single mom, working her ass off to get ahead. They were fighting about garbage, noise, drug smoking on the front porch etc. I specifically have my basement set up so I pay all the utilities. Painting company). Call leasing agents ask them to rent them out. Basement apartments aren’t all bad, but they’re not a goldmine either. You aren’t providing a charity. She’s obviously not shaming basement renters, she’s warning people about the downsides to renting out a basement suite. By clicking “I agree” below, you consent to the use by us and our third-party partners of cookies and data gathered from your use of our platforms. Sometimes I just sit with a plastic heater in my lap to defrost. Here are all the disadvantages of renting a basement apartment: Less Natural Light: Though basements are situated somewhat aboveground, there’s a distinct lack of natural light … ”heat rises and I don’t control the laws of physics?” you sound like a slumlord. Also, way to be classist, super professional and not alienating or disgusting at all. So i think your article is overly harsh on basement apartments and the kinds of people who live in them. Still, I think people are well advised to heed your warnings though, especially the part about what area they are in. There’s unfortunately a lot of angry, defensive comments on here, defending being a basement renter or a basement landlord. Landlords are judgmental as are any other business out there. It is not a good environment. In some cases, a basement apartment will have both a front door and a back door. At first it was just a half hour or so in the morning, but eventually she started just going and doing her grocery shopping, leaving me sitting with her kids for hours. Ground-floor apartments are sometimes less expensive than units on higher floors, can come with private outdoor spaces, and simply make more sense for folks with babies in strollers, dogs to walk, or mobility issues. The landlord keeps his heat at 23c but it’s always a very cold, dry 20c down here. 8-Landlords cats playing with the springy door stop(yeh…it’s funny unless it is happening to you at 0300am). Hi Lily, it is the landlord’s job to fix the apartment, unless you caused the damage. You are providing a place to live for a profit. Kudos to you for speaking up. Don’t confuse Nimbyism with truth. I’ve seen the RH get as low as 12%. My basement apartment help pay off this house, so I’m grateful but surprise surprise no one gave me free money at different points I had to give up the backyard, one tenant in particular liked to invite her family over for beer drinking parties, One of which involved people playing golf in my vegetable garden . Over exaggerating this story. Dee, it’s really ok. I’m not really nice so here’s what I have to say about mold. For instance I get very good tenants in condos usually and whole houses…. Any basement suite I’ve ever seen is considerably less than it’s apartment equivalent. Creditors don’t care about the reasons why a single person can’t handle duel-income debt which is why I HAVE to rent now for the next 5 years until my credit is fixed. Put to good use you could make a fortune with that thing and there is no extra utilities or pot/cigarette smokers to deal with. Keep in mind that karma never forgets and we all face judgment day. Too many people live here to just park on the street. Usually that being the illegal installation of a ‘paper’ ceiling allowing you to hear the tenant above you and their every move, or perhaps the lack of ventilation in case of temperature changes, or even carbon monoxide poisoning. Do month to month, because there will always be some sort of issue. Too cold, here’s a blanket? But there are some disadvantages to be aware of as well. If you can’t afford a house without renting some of it out, buy something you can actually afford. Roy’s nose is full of boogers… nananabooboo. Basement apartments are also below ground, concrete is porous, and this leads to higher humidity which make any cold more uncomfortable. For starters, since a basement is a room that’s wholly or partially underground, water from beneath the ground can seep into the room. It took a few more months until they moved to a bigger place. Not just a reference check either…meet with them a few times! I just want to know the risk factor in renting ? The landlord must make money renting out the suite he has. There are a lots of reasons for an apartment to be illegal and most of them have to do with city zoning and have nothing to do with safety and fire codes. Basements do seem very humid which does not help with the heating issue. The slum Lord here clears the ice and snow from his walkway and stairs but not mine. One simple word; bed bugs. I’ve met my fair share. Because they like the dark? If I had arthritis, I would not live in a basement. They clear trees and you can’t park out front. I need to keep the curtains down because the side of the house where I have windows has a sidewalk. Hi, I live in a basement and i have absolutely no problem with the apartment. So if you go out Sunday, you won’t be parking any where near my apartment until well after supper. The only people who are not aware of these issues are new landlords. Garfield, Yep, basement tenants are not for the faint of heart. I replied, yes, but on mommy’s bed, not mine. I am half a block from like 4 churches. This nontraditional style gives you a more contemporary aesthetic and is great if you’re looking for an apartment unit that is anything but standard. Now go away and shake your money maker. Here are five other reasons to consider building a basement apartment: 1. When I told her she was not allowed to do that, she informed me that “mommy lets me do this”. I have had far too many dealings in too many different buildings (yes even fancy expensive buildings) with different property management companies to just an individual who owns the building and at the end of the day I will never live in a place with more then ten individual apartments. I am currently renting a basement apartment in Edmonton. This is probably the worst article i ever read. Couldnt sleep so brought down the owners and they said its the heater pipes in the ceiling, heres some earplugs. Valet service rentals for you. Not everyone who rents a basement suite is a problem. The little one went into my bedroom and began jumping on my bed. The city of Toronto wants $27,000 in development charges for a third unit in a house. I have had No issues at all. • Lack of natural light: Many basement apartments are not going to have a great amount of sunlight. Both myself and the landlord can’t stand her. Basements are generally underground and support the building. Last time I checked the City of Mississauga wants $8000 for a permit to build a basement apartment. I live in a basement in southern ON. A couple months in he moves in a random middle aged male into our suite, when we were 2 girls in our early 20’s and did not agree to this at all. My current landlady has been very nice and reasonable so far, I hope she continues to be. In school, during an internship in a different city, I also lived in a basement suite. I had to install special windows that met the fire code as well. I rent the upper floor of a house in Calgary that includes the garage. There is garbage and old furniture stacked at the bottom of the stairs that partially blocks access to the laundry room, an old leather chair she left on the deck. I did have some very good tenants in there for extended periods of time. If everyone could get a mortgage then who would be left to rent? I’m breaking my lease because of it, well actually they broke it, I’m just leaving. Resd up on your rights. No there are also terrible rich tenants too. I know, if my mortgage is more then 1700 then I cant afford them with out renting a basement. On top of the banging in the ceiling I get tapping sounds and sqeaks 24/7. The disappointment you are expressing is this: these “mortgage payments” are ***human beings*** who, because they are ***human beings***, have families and friends, and sometimes like the outdoors and sunlight. This is the easiest post I’ll ever write. I’m renting a basement for the advantages it affords … yes there are some good reasons for preferring to live downstairs. What a lame article. Brampton has subdivions that were built with lovely 3 bedroom upper and lower units and they shut down tons of these apartments if the owner did not have proof dating back to 1994? The yard may or may not be shared by people living in units above the basement apartment. If I had arthritis, I would not live in a basement. I own a hygrometer and currently because the heat is always blasting through the ceiling it pushes out all of the humidity in the house. Does it limit where I live? I have had to shovel out many times. It’s unfortunate because you might have been an awesome landlord but now you’ll never know. Profit is not a dirty word it’s reality. Have you considered that your asshole is a “goldmine” too? 4-Walking 2 blocks because that is the closest open parking spot. As I told you my office is in my basement and I have a little space heater down there. Now Im not much of a joker but I thought the earplugs was funny. Because of them, many people get affordable housing, affordable housing that wouldn’t be available if it wasn’t for basement suites. You are supposed to be able to enjoy your residence. I was reading through the comments and just had to reply. Houses were built to be houses NOT apartments, so if you are going to modify them to bring in some cash for your ‘mortgage’ at least have some respect for the *cough cough* tenants that are giving you this income. Plus its a walkout…so mostly above ground, with my own driveway! Now, to come to the disadvantages. I wish landlords could be more considerate of us tenants. More seasoned investors often opt to rent out the house as a whole. I’ve closed down countless basements that were affordable because of tenants that complain, most of whom complain while still in them… and become homeless and can’t find another place at the same price. And in response to your comment/question “who broke your arms and legs?” that person was my ex husband who had broken 1 arm and 1 leg. Some people have no problem living in a basement. I enjoyed the straight-cut delivery of this article. What would you suggest me to buy a house much cheaper (to afford mortgage easily) or go for a bigger house and rent the basement. Smaller living space – one major disadvantage of apartments is that they’re generally smaller than the average house. Welcome! SMH. I have never disliked someone so much and as an example, I spent 5 minutes talking to her last week to try Nd be niceand within that time she asked to see my suite, asked if she could have my $$$ recycling, and asked for free paint to paint her bathroom. I swear it depends so much on the area. I prefer to read sensible comments from those people who can rationally read an article and be ok that an author has an opinion that comes from their experiences, like this article. You hear your neighbors’ noises even if you don’t want to bother listening to such sounds. Then the other guy parked across the driveway so no one could get out and was threatening the leaving tenant. Because this structure shares a wall with your neighbors, they make the most of the space that is available when compared to the standard detached single-family home. As for the temperature? Or have I just been “lucky” for the last 12 years and an exception to the rule? He insisted on fixing it on his own, which took him several months. It is fairly sad that people like you who have a single traumatic event that cascades into unfortunate consequences for your credit get lumped into the same category as people who never willingly pay a bill in their life or never seem to manage their finances. It’s part of the business. He’s not inexperienced at being a landlord so im going to say he’s just a DOUCHE and if someone ever injures themselves due to his negligence he will get sued. Some are excellent, but I’ve been there with some not so good ones. You can also conduct your own survey of property management companies… most won’t take basement apartments or houses that have them. Knock on the door? I’ve been reading these comments, and while I don’t agree that you’re a “know it all B***h”, I do think you’re being a little unfair. I can honestly say that basement apts were cheaper. So anyone walking by can see right in. Saying all of that, you do make some great points about basement apartments and it’s important for people to know the negatives. (photo by phodge100 on flickr)While a bit dated, we still related to this New York Times article from 2004. You need a lot of airborne spores to create the health effects you are talking about. My current landlord had a leakage problem within the bathroom he kept telling me he would fix. Then afterwards when the situation stabilizes…things get better. Here’s the thing. your password There’s no way for my tenant to turn up the heat. Meanwhile I cut my finger on the rose bush over the hydro meter so I’m bleeding on everything… I manage other properties too and never seem to encounter these kinds of problems. I’m not sure why tenants who rent in a house often argue. When someone is angry and defensive it tells me they unfortunately haven’t developed an intelligence to read an article and remove their emotion from it, understanding that the article was never written to put anyone down personally. I have been here for three years and have a great relationship with my landlords. Over the last 12 years having them there has provided me with $194,000 in revenue. After a certain point all you can go on is looking the applicant in the eyes and even then who knows. Robert Palmer, host of the Saving Thousands Radio Show, says that you will typically see townhouses in specific circumstances. Actually my basement suite experiences did leave me jaded but the next 10 years of managing multiple properties with basements didn’t help at all either. If you think that basement apartments are a “goldmine” I’m sure you’ve carefully calculated out the extra utilities paid, extra management costs, associated legal expenses and headaches. The Pros and Cons of Renting Out Part of Your Home On the surface it seems like a fabulous idea: Carve out a portion of your home, rent it out and use the rental income to pay your mortgage. In these cases, the front door usually functions as the entrance from the street and the back door opens up into a yard. Black mold developed on the walls and I was left with severe headaches, joint pain, and abdominal pain. Buy the cheaper house. Attractive cost, convenient location and suitable layout of such housing can make you think. I think the pros outweigh the cons. You cannot even climb the stairs after a downfall. Many years ago, I was that new landlord – never again! She was also a “borrower”. But I have a question; if something is broken in the basement is it my responsibility to fix it or that of the landlord. He was also in and out of my apartment on a regular basis with or without me being home. One important question, in terms of future home sale value, is what do your neighbors have? I have talked to my landlord about it and she told me that the woman is constantly asking for things. The advantages of using precast concrete is the increased quality of the material, when formed in controlled conditions, and the reduced cost of constructing large forms used with concrete poured on site. I’m sorry, here’s nothing wrong with basement tenants per se… and I totally agree with your point of horrible landlords as well. While this means you’ve got less space to clean, for some people that’s only a small consolation for less living space, particularly for those who like to entertain. Now the rent there is not affordable… and it’s improved. 1. 6-Homeless people “shopping” in my garbage. By clicking “I agree” below, you consent to the use by us and our third-party partners of cookies and data gathered from your use of our platforms. It made for a very uncomfortable and stressful environment. I think people are out of their mind to buy a unit and then rent out both halves. I have had really great tenants here and in other basement apartments. On one occasion, her three year old was down in my apartment with her, while she was “borrowing” milk. Most definitely; especially since I refuse to live in suburbs. Your landlord is allowed to go into your place with 24 hour notice, unless it’s an emergency or unless you waive the requirement. Is there anything me or the owners can do for this medieval horror sound torture to cease ? My landlord keeps saying she will give her notice if she demands one more thing, but then it follows with, but she always pays her rent on time…nor sure what I should do as I am uncomfortable living here now. However, there are also many cons to consider before making a final decision. I have three basement apartments on the go. He doesn’t sound like the kind of jerk who’d throw an arthritic tenant a sweater in the cold. If it seems like you’ve had a string of bad tenants or aren’t impressed with the people you’ve had, maybe it’s time to look at renting out the duplex as a single family dwelling and gaining some peace and quiet. Basement apartments are a goldmine when paying of a mortgage and cheap for tenants so they can put money away. I’m not sure why you are saying basements are very humid, Rachelle. I “lent” things all the time (and NEVER got anything back). this became a regular thing. Sure… I’ll take your unseen relative no questions asked… click. Basement apartments are also below ground, concrete is porous, and this leads to higher humidity which make any cold more uncomfortable. Her three year old was down in my basement and I live with numerous medical conditions permission me. Basements is that I enjoyed living in a 3rd party to get what she wants like to! 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